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it's really emotional and also very uplifting in its own way. >> personal story that he's found the strength to tell, not many people do. thank you all for joining us today "@this hour." >> "legal view" with ashleigh banfield starts right now. hello, everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield. welcome to "legal view." it's 11:00 a.m. in norman, oklahoma. 13 hours and counting for students who used to be members of sigma alpha epsilon, out of the frat house. the issue, of course, that despicable display of racism by s.a.e. members who were heading into a founder's day party, that's the birthday of the fraternity. this just over the weekend.
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but while the university of oklahoma chapter of s.a.e. is shut down, the letters already pried off the building and replaced with graffiti instead. the fate of the offending students, though, still unclear. here's oklahoma university president and former oklahoma governor and u.s. senator david boren. >> legally our concern is we have to demonstrate exactly how the educational experience of our students was threatened or disrupted by their actions. and it really has to focus also on the students on the bus. did the other students have their educational experience disrupted? so our lawyers are piling through that now just as our investigators pile through the evidence, look at the video, see if we can identify the ri ringleaders. that's what we have to concentrate on in this chant and leading the chant. but we're not going to tolerate. we're not putting up with it. we can't. if i have to take a risk to send
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those students home permanently or for a semester, the rest of the year, whatever it is i can do, we're going to do it. >> it's not just the students facing a mild deadline to vacate that house because the chapter's 78-year-old housemother is also having to leave. yesterday, she told cbs she's, quote, disappointed by what she heard on that bus. but wait until you hear a vine video of the housemom from somewhere around 2013 where she appears to be gleefully singing the "n" word. ♪ >> yes, that has gone viral. it is time to bring in cnn's nick valencia who is live in norman, oklahoma. can you give us some context and tell us what the circumstances were regarding that video of the housemom? >> reporter: sure.
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this short clip was posted on a popular social media app called vine used a lot here by the students at the university of oklahoma. and it appears to show the former housemom of this fraternity at the university. her name, goton gillmo. the "o.u. daily" which first posted the video, it was posted in late 2013. we have attempted as an organization, cnn, to reach out to her so get her side of the story. it appears just from listening to that tape that she is singing along with a hook of an atlanta-based rapper whose song was popular back in 2013. some might find this ironic. as you mentioned, she spoke yesterday to cbs news talking about how disappointed she was in the actions of those members caught on tape from s.a.e. >> i heard the words. unbelievable.
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this is not s.a.e. this has been my family. i can't imagine tomorrow -- i'm very disappointed, very ashamed, embarrassed. >> reporter: we have to emphasize we have reached out to her for comment but we have not yet heard back. >> so, nick, we heard the president saying there's still investigations that need to be completed, there may be people who are kicked off campus for good or for a semester, et cetera. but there were some other people on the bus. there were some young women on the bus from a sorority. is there much talk about what's going to happen with them? >> reporter: certainly. a statement just posted by the tri delta sorry a little while ago saying they were cooperating fully with the investigation here of university officials at the university of oklahoma and that they are disappointed with the actions of those that they saw in this video. they do say they are fully cooperating.
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it is worth mentioning that we don't know what official steps the university has taken against those individuals in this tape seen over the weekend. you say that it was at a founder's event, anniversary for the university fraternity. it was on a party bus. i've spoken to students here who are disgusted, they condemn it and also say they are shocked that it was s.a.e. caught on tape because there are other fraternities here at the university that are just as bad. one student i spoke to says she believes the entire greek system here should be investigated. >> nick values ka, thank you for that. i also want to play another clip that shows far better than anyone on cnn could possibly show, the betrayal that so many o.u. -- 30,000 students feel about the hatred of just a few displayed on that bus. here for you, the words of oklahoma linebacker eric stryker. >> i'm so [ bleep ] furious right now.
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s.a.e. just [ bleep ] it up for all you [ bleep ] white ferrantes. [ bleep ], if anything you mother [ bleep ] affiliated with, [ bleep ] you. the same [ bleep ], telling them how you really love us, [ bleep ]. >> last night, a calmer but no less hurt eric stryker spoke with my cnn colleague don lemon. >> we believe that president boren is taking the right actions and investigating and doing the right thing, more than just suspensions and expelling these students, the people who are responsible for it. the people on the bus. >> and then there's gene delance, a high school offensive lineman from texas who had committed to play at the university of oklahoma but now says he will play elsewhere. saying he was personally hurt.
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and if you were watching cnn the last hour, you met the last african-american member of the o.u. chapter of sigma alpha epsilon. betrayal doesn't even begin to express his reaction. >> the guys in that video are not my brothers. my first reaction was complete disgust and shock. i was deeply offended as a black man in general. but i was devastated also having been in that house for never years and put my own blood, sweat and tears in cultivating a culture that would never do that. >> and i've got to give the last word in this segment to a legend of the civil rights movement who says racism on college campuses is simply, quote, unbelievable in this day and age, end quote. congressman john lewis was a guest on cnn's "new day."
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>> i think it's not a place of a college or university campus for young people or any group to be acting the way they're acting. >> they should be gone? >> they should be gone. >> sadly before the racist bus video went viral, that fraternity, s.a.e., also had a starring role in a highly disturbing documentary about sexual assault on college campuses. the film's executive producer is going to join me next. first, though, here is a quick look. >> i got a call from the dean of admissions asking if you were to get into hartford, would you accept. and i said, yes, because i knew my mom would kill me if i said anything else. >> the first few weeks, i made some of my best friends. but two of us were sexually assaulted before classes had even started. i went to the dean of students
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office. and she said, i just want to make sure that you don't talk to anyone about this. they protect perpetrators because they have a financial incentive to do so. >> the problem of sexual assault on campuses is enormous. >> i think it's fair to say that they cover these crimes up. >> there's a lot of victim blaming. >> he lectured us about how we shouldn't go out in short skirts. >> they said despite the fact that i had a written admission of guilt, that that could only prove that he loved me. >> if it goes to the police, it's more likely to end up as a public record. >> universities are protecting a brand. >> campus police cannot contact an athlete. >> he won the heisman trophy with his dna rape kit. >> we asked the students, where are the hot spots? >> s.a.e., sexual assault is expected. >> the second most common type of insurance claim against the fraternity industries is for rape. >> he was allowed back on cam s campus. >> the message is clear, you're
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not going to win. >> we started seeing what was happening at campuses across the country. no one connected the dots before. >> students went from sexual assault victims to survivors and now activists. >> my name is carolyn. >> my name is alexis. >> my name is ari. >> this is a national problem. >> i was getting frightened. it was working in their favor to silence me. i was terrified. >> they said if i told them they would take action. but the only action they took was against me. >> we have a lot further to go. kill up to 99 percent of germs. and prevent plaque, early gum disease and bad breath. sfx: ahhh listerine®. power to your mouth™! for over 19 million people. [ susan ] my promotion allowed me to start investing for my retirement. transamerica made it easy. [ female announcer ] everyone has a moment when tomorrow becomes real.
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we have been talking about that boisterously racist song belted out by sigma alpha epsilon members on a bus and we told you yesterday about s.a.e.'s hazing and alcohol accusations, even the deaths of at least ten members since 2006. that's according to bloomberg. today we want to dig into sexual assault allegations against s.a.e. chapters around the country and this is why. >> s.a.e., sexual assault expected. >> sexual assault expected. some say s.a.e. not only stands for sigma alpha epsilon but also for that very uncomfortable phrase, sexual assault expected. that was a clip from the cnn film "the hunting ground." an expose of sexual assaults on college campuses. joining me now is the producer of that film. amy, nice to have you. thank you for coming in. you and i met just a week ago when this film began its rollout
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across the country. we were talking solely about sexual assaults and this particular fraternity featured fairly prominently -- a lot of people knew that expression, sexual assault expected. >> when we traveled around the country looking into researching the epidemic of assaults on our campuses, time and again, we asked students, what have you heard on your campus, where is it dangerous? and they'd say s.a.e. and we said, are there any nicknames and time and again they would say sexual assault expected is the nickname for s.a.e. >> while s.a.e. seemed to have, according to your research and the people you interviewed, a real problem with this, so did other fraternities right throughout the greek system in the light of what we're seeing here, we've heard other people say, this racist bus video is not unique. did that surprise you to hear that it's everywhere? >> that video shocked me but it
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wouldn't surprise me if it's happening at one fraternity, it's happening at others. whenever we uncovered something happening somewhere, it wasn't a unique situation. it was actually pretty much a blueprint for what's happening at fraternities across the country. >> i mentioned this to someone on the set yesterday. i'm 47. nothing like this ever happened on the boisterous bus rides that i was on in college. granted, i'm from canada, a little different. what has happened? what all of a sudden is different? why are you finding the awfulness that you're finding in this day and age? >> i don't know, i'm not a sociolosoes sociologi sociologist. and now we have phones that can take these images and we can circulate them quicker so maybe we're just hearing about this. racism has been in this country for a very long time. i don't know what to tell you. and also sexual assaults, i know why we haven't heard about that because the institutions are incentivized to cover them up. >> do you think that sexual
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assault on campus was as bad 10, 20, 40 years ago as it is as it's depicted in your documentary? >> again, we don't have the studies because these institutions weren't interested in doing this kind of research because who wants to expose negative -- >> stats on your institution. >> so we don't know. but anecdotally and 'empiricall, what we've seen is it's been going on for decades. >> last thing, alcohol, they are consuming this at alarming rates. i know you have a point in the documentary about alcohol being a precursor possibly to the sexual assault situation. i want to get your take on that and what might have been happening on this bus. >> what was shocking to me as a mom who has kids in college, it isn't hook-up culture. it isn't sex gone bad. it's alcohol being used as a
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weapon by serial predators. that's what we want the country to see. we're telling a story that no one has heard before and no one really understands and to protect our children, you need to see this film. >> it behooves every parent across the country to look, do the research before your kids head off to these very prestigious institutions, some of them. the stats are there. hopefully if these bills get passed, that kind of information will be a lot more readily available. if you're in new york or l.a., the theaters are already showing this film "the hunting ground." but this weekend, it opens in how many more cities? >> four, i think. san francisco, berkeley, d.c. and boston. >> and then two weeks from now, chicago -- >> chicago the following weekend it's currently in new york and l.a. >> and cnn will be airing the film on our air waves later this year as well. amy, thank you for the information. a lot of hard material to sort through. we appreciate that. good to see you.
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the jurors in the boston marathon bombing trial are seeing some pretty dramatic new video. it's of the tsarnaev brothers seconds before the blasts tore into the crowd at the finish
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line and afterwards as well, which is very telling. and i want to warn you some of the pictures we're about to show you are definitely disturbing. the surveillance photo shows people just milling about moments before the bombs went off. the circled on the left-hand side of your screen is pointing to dzhokhar tsarnaev in the crowd. the blast occurs. dzhokhar walks away. then the second one goes off. cnn's deborah feyerick breaks down the critical footage of the defendant before and immediately after those deadly blasts went off. >> reporter: nearly four hours after the race began, the tsarnaev brothers rounded the corner together onto the marathon route. tamerlan in the lead, the younger dzhokhar keeping pace. then the two split up. tamerlan heading to the finish line. multiple images show dzhokhar tsarnaev standing by himself for nearly four minutes.
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among spectators, several of them children. at 2:49, records show using a disposable phone, dzhokhar calls his brother. moments later, the first bomb explodes. dzhokhar moves quickly in the opposite direction, reaching the corner just as the second bomb detonates. neither dzhokhar nor tamerlan have their backpacks. less than 23 minutes after the terror attack, dzhokhar tsarnaev enters a nearby whole foods and pays cash for a half gallon of milk. he leaves only to return moments later to swap the milk before getting back into the passenger side of a car. the driver speeds off. that night on one of two twitter accounts under his name, tsarnaev posts, ain't no love in the heart of the city, stay safe, people. prosecutors say 19-year-old tsarnaev had returned to his dorm room at umass dartmouth.
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he's seen here at 9:05 p.m. the next night entering the university fitness center with a friend and staying for about an hour. the fbi gathered 4,000 hours of surveillance videos, photos and home movies from that day. >> 4,000 hours. i want to bring in deborah feyerick who's live at the courthouse in boston right now and with us as well, hln legal analyst joey jackson. deb, if we could just begin with you, get me up to speed on today. it's great that you can come out of the courtroom. we don't have cameras in there. it's a federal court proceeding. how are the jurors reacting to what they're hearing today? >> reporter: it's very interesting. the way the jury reacted to that video you just showed, they saw a man who apparently didn't care what was going on. he was more interested in the milk he was buying. today they saw a note he scrawled in the boat where he was hiding. that text was read by one of the people who found it. it was covered with bullet.
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there were bullet holes that marked it. he was telling us his brother got into paradise, according to the note. and he said, god has a plan for each of us and perhaps the plan for him was to stay behind to shed some light. he's quoting saying that, you're fighting me who looks into the barrel of a gun and sees heaven, how can you compete with that? very strong testimony supporting the motive, the reason why dzhokhar tsarnaev may have done this. but tsarnaev's lawyers had a little bit of a victory today because they really tore apart some of the twitter accounts that were alleged to have come from tsarnaev saying that most of the tweets were about girls and cars and studies and they referenced music titles and they pointed out that the fbi actually isolated only those tweets that were relevant to their case and did not look at them in their entirety. and there were some very uncomfortable moments for that fbi agent who was on the stand today. but the tsarnaev lawyers looked
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breaking news here at cnn. we are just getting word that in the wake of that controversy of students singing a racist chant on a bus at oklahoma university,
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specifically the sigma alpha epsilon fraternity, two students have now been expelled. our nick valencia is live in norman, oklahoma, he's been covering this story. what do you know about the expulsions, nick? >> reporter: this news was just announced a short while ago on president david boren's twitter account. he says he's taken action, expelling two students who have played a leadership role in this racist video that surfaced over the weekend, posted initially by the campus newspaper as well as a group here, an alliance of black students known as "unheard" which sent the tweet video to the president notifying him. from then on, it went viral. i want to read the statement from president david boren. it says, i have emphasized that there is zero tolerance for this kind of threatening racist behavior at the university of oklahoma. i hope that the entire nation will join us in having zero tolerance of such racism when it raises its ugly head in other
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situations across our country. he goes on to say, we will continue our investigation of all students engaged in the signing of this -- singing of this chant. once their identities have been confirmed, they will be subject to appropriate disciplinary action. we have reached out for comment to that group "unheard" that posted this video. so far, we haven't heard back from them. but this just in, president david boren of the university of oklahoma expelling two students who played a leadership role in that racist video chant surfacing over the weekend. >> can i ask you this, two students -- we clearly saw one student who seemed to be taking a leadership role in that chant standing up. there were two angles, very clearly you could see his face. but there were other students on the bus other than two. is this just the tip of the iceberg or will there be more? and do we know if one of the students is the person seen in his tuxedo leading the chant?
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>> reporter: that person has not been identified officially. if it's any indication the language that the president of this university has used, they're saying all options are on the table and anything within his authority and in his power to discipline these individuals as he has the fraternity, he says he will take that action. we don't know who exactly he expelled from this campus but we do know that he says it was the two who were taking a leadership role in this. we know other students were on that bus not associated with the fraternity. we mentioned in our last report that tri delta sorority is also cooperating with the investigation. this may just be the first shoe to fall. >> nick valencia doing the job for us in norman, oklahoma. two students have been expelled in the wake of that video that surfaced from s.a.e., the fraternity, a bus party in which racist chants were heard, videotaped and secretly those videotaped made their way to the
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college paper which made their way to the media. and it's only been about 48 hours. but the actions have been swift. so far, two students expelled. in the meantime, if you were in new york city, you had a newspaper like this this morning pointing out senators and beneath it the word "traitor." wow. that's huge. but these senators were among 47 who decided to write a letter to iran saying they didn't like what their president was up to and any deal he strikes with them, well, they might just undo it when he's gone. is that legal? is it moral? is it right and so many more questions? that's next. so, secret clinical strength tracked christie bruce's ups and downs for a day. oh no, just one each now. mommy. dad's home i'm going to work now. secret clinical strength has adapts + responds technology tm for customized protection that adapts to your body.
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nuclear deal that iran might make could expire when president obama leaves office and then effectively be reversed. critics are calling this letter betrayal and sabotage and some are even going as far as calling treason. we'll talk about whether this rises to that level. but president obama isn't pleased with this accusing the 47 republican senators who put their signature to this letter of siding with america's enemies. that's pretty strident stuff, too. and vice president biden is calling the effort by gop lawmakers, quote, beneath their dignity. so there's all that stuff going back and forth between them but what about the law? here's the guy on the law, cnn's legal analyst danny cevallos. there is this little-known act that's about to become not so little known called the logan act. i want to read it for our viewers. "any citizen of the united
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states who without authority of the united states carries on any correspondence with any foreign government with intent to influence any foreign government in relation to any disputes or controversies with the united states shall be fined or imprisoned or both." that's pretty strong language. and it seems very clear. what in this doctrine or this statute stands out to you in this case? >> what stands out is that it was enacted in 1799. that's when president adams was leading us when this law was enacted. just to give you an idea, that's significant because we have a doctrine which is basically use it or lose it. if we have a law on the books that we never enforce it, after a while, it sort of dies on its own. that's what's happened here. the last indictment under the act was 1801 or 1803 or something like that. so it gives you an idea how rarely used this statute is. that being said, in the time
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since it was enacted, our views of the first amendment and by "our," i mean our federal court's views of the first amendment have expanded dramatically. we look at the first amendment as providing many more protections than we used to. so a modern court would likely look at the language in the logan act and say, that is unconstitutionally vague. in other words, it's so broad that it doesn't really tell a citizen what is prohibited and what is not. >> can we put the statute back up on the screen again? right off the top, what stood out to me was the whole "without authority" part, any citizen of the united states without authority -- doesn't congress have authority to communicate -- they're not doing this in a back-channel way. it's not secret. >> that's a critical line in the act. what does "without authority" mean? it doesn't say in the statute without authority of the president or the executive branch. >> it's vague. >> it says without authority of the united states. you hit on a very good point. is a congressman always
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technically acting with some modicum of authority of the united states? after all, it's on their letterhead. and since courts haven't developed the case law on this, it's almost never been used. the only way to find out is if a prosecution has been brought. but since it hasn't been done in several centuries, how do we know -- >> is this unfair, traitors, treason and traitors? >> if we look at traitors as an indictment of treason, that may be a little bit preliminary at this point, yeah. >> in any case, it's certainly making for a lot of angry talk and division in the whole effort of bipartisanship. danny, thank you. we appreciate it. i said to you last hour that cnn's been bringing you breaking news on the expulsions of two students who were involved in that racist bus rant at o.u., oklahoma university, specifically the s.a.e. chapter on campus, that fraternity.
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i've got the letter. i just got it in my hands, from the president. it's short but it is not sweet. i'll read this letter for you in a little bit. it is a letter from the president to those two students outlining exactly what he thinks of them and of their behavior and exactly what he's doing. it's awesome. that's what i like to call, the meta effect. 4-in-1 multi-health metamucil is clinically proven to help you feel less hungry between meals. experience the meta effect with our multi-health wellness line. i take prilosec otc each morning for my frequent heartburn. because it gives me... zero heartburn! prilosec otc. the number 1 doctor-recommended frequent heartburn medicine for 9 straight years. one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn. in the country. we operate just like a city, and that takes a lot of energy. we use natural gas throughout the airport - for heating the entire terminal, generating electricity on-site, and fueling hundreds of vehicles. we're very focused on reducing our environmental impact.
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back to our breaking news, two students who are attending o.u., that's the university of
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oklahoma are not attending anymore because they just got this letter from their president. i want to read the letter to you. this is what david boren, the president of o.u., sent to students who apparently were pointed as leaders, taking a leadership role in that racist bus chant heard over the weekend. "this is the notify you as president of the university of oklahoma acting in my official capacity, i have determined that you should be expelled from this university effective immediately. you will be expelled because of your leadership role in leading a racist and exclusionary chant which has created a hostile educational environment for others" and then it goes on to offer this, "you have the right to contact the university if you feel that this decision is not appropriate and you may be represented by legal counsel." but those two students only have till this friday to contact the university's equal opportunity officer. boy, would i like to see that argument being made in that office. if it's going to be made, it has
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to be made in the next couple of days. i want to bring in joey and danny on this one. the president acknowledges that these two students who took on a leadership role in that racist bus rant on that bus created a hostile educational environment for others. perhaps that is what got him the heft, the legal heft to kick them out of school. but could it also come back to bite him in that anybody who feels offended by what happened and feels that they were in a hostile educational environment can sue the university. you can both have your say. >> i think it's a very fair point. but the reality is, how extreme and pervasive? that will be examined. who was actually affected? we're looking at a situation where people are on a bus, outrageous conduct, he's disciplining them for that. as a result of that, they're expelled. remember, the basic position is that it is a privilege not a right to attend the university. i would certainly think that anybody would have redress -- if you feel that you're subjected to an environment which is offensive, which is abusive, which is extreme, that
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absolutely you have recourse to sue and what you're suggesting is this is an admission -- >> a big admission. >> by the university that the environment was so hostile. i certainly would think it would give people a basis who were uncomfortable to file. >> what about the other singers? there weren't just two singers. there were several singers. if two singers were leaders in the song created a hostile educational environment, didn't the other singers do the very same thing? >> the existence of that hostile environment probably isn't enough to make it actionable. there must be some sort of leadership involvement. and that's probably, like you said, you've noticed that language is in the letter and if there was a hostile environment, someone may try their hand at a suit. but i think that the relationship between the university and the fact that even though this was an event that arguably is sanctioned by the university, it doesn't necessarily follow that the university can be held liable for those activities. but you're absolutely right. the reason i believe that they say hostile environment is because one of the other exceptions to the first
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amendment, fighting words, really wouldn't apply here because this was not directed at an individual. it was directed to other people on a bus. however, the hostile environment, i think, strategically gets them to cha exception. but make no mistake about it, this will be challenged. the student code will be challenged under the first amendment and it could potentially will overturned. >> i think that code is upheld. you're talking about an institution that has a right to police its students and to ensure that the environment is one that's safe and effective for everyone without racism. >> embarrassing argument to have to make if you're those two students. we're still watching to see if there are any other students that will be expelled. so far the headline, two students expelled. the president notifying them by letter. turning to the aaron hernandez trial and the burning question on everyone's mind, where is that murder weapon because it's being talked about a lot. have a look at this picture. is that it? is that a gun in his hand? what about that picture? is it good enough to tell? and what about the efforts to make the picture better? is that fair?
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and our old internet just wasn't cutting it. so i switched us from u-verse to xfinity. they have the fastest, most reliable internet. which is perfect for me, because i think everything should just work. works? works. works! works? works. works. one of the biggest mysteries in the aaron hernandez murder trial is, where is the murder weapon? for the first time, we're now seeing video of the former nfl star at home in the hours just
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before odin lloyd was shot and killed on june 17th back in 2013. now, the prosecution is saying that that black thing in the highlighted circle, well, it's obvious that is the murder weapon. but the defense says, hold your horses, it's not that obvious. it's something else. and both sides are still fighting over how that key issue will even be presented to the jury. you're seeing it but they're not supposed to be watching the news. cnn's national correspondent susan candiotti is outside of the courthouse in fall river, massachusetts. we are still arguing over enhancement of video and how to depict those pictures to the jury and be fair in doing so? >> reporter: that's right. that's one of the things the defense has filed a motion about. it has yet to be argued fully before the judge. but they are going to say among other things that the prosecutors have employed people to use enhancement techniques to further clarify those pictures, some of which are accepted methods but some of which, the
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defense says, are just not fair and shouldn't be done. and maybe even have their own retired fbi expert that is weighing in on this. so this will be argued before the judge. and she ultimately will be able to decide who parts of those video enhancements will be shown to the jury. >> what's the defense saying the black object in his hand is? >> reporter: well, they haven't said exactly but they're kind of skirting around the edges. they've suggested, hey, maybe it was a tv remote control. maybe it was an ipod or maybe it was something else. we haven't seen any proof of that. and they've been asking some witnesses already, you saw a tv remote in the house? what does it look like? but we've been getting very general descriptions. it will be interesting to see whether this will be a battle of the experts in the end, someone from glock handgun company will be testifying for the state. and then the defense, of course,
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will be trying to tear that testimony apart. >> yeah. i just wanted to ask you a little bit about the drama. you're actually sitting in that courtroom. and there's so much that you just can't soak in when you're out here watching it on tv. and that is, that fiancee who's standing by her man, there was a babysitter on the stand yesterday admitting to making out with him in a flop house. where was the fiancee in all of this? >> reporter: she has not been to court regularly. the last time we saw her was last week and we haven't seen her this week. she was not in court to see that happen and it makes one wonder if she had advance notice who was going to be on the stand. probably. and made a decision not to be there. we've also noticed that last week when she was there, there are photographs she is no longer wearing the large diamond engagement ring that we have seen. we don't know why. we'll try to find out. >> you know, things are amazing, trials are moving parts and sometimes people change their minds mid trial when they hear
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what's said on the stand. susan candiotti, great work. thank you for that in massachusetts. cnn is continuing to cover the fallout from the president of o.u. expelling two students. wolf blitzer will take the helm. he starts right now. hello. i'm wolf blitzer. it's 1:00 p.m. here in washington. 5:00 p.m. in london. 7:00 p.m. in jerusalem. 8:00 p.m. in baghdad. wherever you're watching from around the world, thanks very much for joining us. we begin this hour with breaking news here in the united states. the former secretary of state hillary clinton is speaking at the u.n. this hour on issues facing girls and women around the world. but the real fireworks will come afterwards at a hastily arranged news conference. for the first time, she'll talk with reporters about the smoldering controversy over e-mails during her four-year tenure at the state department. her

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